Why Presbyterians Need to Be Genealogists
Whoo boy. And they all claim to adhere to the Westminster Standards. Hmmm.
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Whoo boy. And they all claim to adhere to the Westminster Standards. Hmmm.
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October 6th, 2005 at 11:48 am
And that’s not even all of them.
October 6th, 2005 at 11:51 am
Rome, anyone?
October 6th, 2005 at 1:54 pm
Richard, sorry you guys got left out. I didn’t make the chart
And Daniel…sure, I hear the sun on the Colisseum is lovely this time of year!
October 6th, 2005 at 3:03 pm
Well, I wasn’t really even thinking of us… but we can go on there, too. Along with all the tiny little 4 church denominations.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:04 pm
how do I make my comments nested under the one I’m replying to?
October 6th, 2005 at 3:39 pm
It’s not nesting, Richard: it’s some faulty CSS making it look as if there’s nesting going on. It’s been bothering me, but I haven’t taken the time to look at fixing it … but now you’ve given me reason.
October 6th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
Huzzah!
Tyrant: 1
Goofy CSS: 0
Y’all may need to hold shift and hit reload to make it look “right” to you.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Dear Geof:
thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you
I hated that! It was caused by the gravatar pics on comments that were shorter than the space alloted to the pics. Thanks for fixing it.
October 6th, 2005 at 5:46 pm
Gee, when I saw that there were 7 comments I was all ready to read a controversial discussion about doctrinal standards and unity in the church. Not that comments about nesting replies aren’t interesting and all….;)
October 6th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
Mark, have you ever heard Carl Trueman’s tongue in cheek theory about how to consolidate Protestantism? If I remember it right, I think it involves a congregation voting themselves out of existence, joining another conservative congregation and purposing to vote that one out of existence, and so os. As the churches disband, the liberals and conservatives would group together as they join the remaining congregations, so at the end you’d have just two main denominations, one liberal and one conservatiove. Simple, eh?
October 6th, 2005 at 8:33 pm
Trueman is a genius.
Seriously, what I would want to ponder is this: are whatever all those Presby denoms divided over the things that should truly divide Christians?
October 6th, 2005 at 9:50 pm
Well, when you take Jeff Jue’s Modern Age class, you can learn and decide for yourself.
FYI to anyone who didn’t know, that chart was a handout in my class last week… and unbeknownst to Mark. He actually found the chart on the web via some other totally unrelated website and just posted it because it was such a convoluted diagram. It was quite a surprise for me to see it on his blog.
October 7th, 2005 at 8:34 am
Karyn, that chart was handed out when I took it in Dallas as well (as well as some similar charts for a number of other mainline denominations). I must confess I find that history terribly interesting.
October 7th, 2005 at 11:41 am
I think Trueman is going to be in for a shock: it’s going to be post-liberals + post-conservatives in one of the churches, and the old liberals and old conservatives in the other. Hawerwas will be worshiping with Franke, and Carson will be worshiping with E. P. Sanders just so they can all agree what to fight about!
October 7th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
OK…Daniel is an even greater genius than Trueman…or perhaps just a more up-to-date one
October 7th, 2005 at 2:29 pm
Or perhaps just more provocative/contentious…
October 7th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
Daniel…do you know Carl Trueman? Whatever you may think of his ideas, it’s pretty tough to beat him in the “provocative/contentious” category.
October 8th, 2005 at 5:57 pm
Yawn . . . D.G. Hart said at least 5 years ago that it isn’t liberals vs. conservatives + confessionalists; it’s liberals + conservatives vs. confessionalists.
October 8th, 2005 at 10:40 pm
Modern Reformation magazine recently published an idea of W. Robert Godfrey for how all the confessional Presbyterian denominations could unite without losing their distinctives. It’s elegant, simple, and practical.
See it here. HT to Barb Harvey.
Only problem I see is that he proposes that this new General Assembly have the power to remove any synod (in this case, synod refers to a particular presby denomination that is part of the grand GA) that is deemed to have “departed from the Reformed faith.” The problem that I see in that is that some segments of Presby world have already declared that other segments have “departed the Reformed faith,” sometimes segments within their own present denomination!