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	<description>The Sacred Journey of Mark Traphagen, the Foolish Sage</description>
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		<title>By: Pastor Geoff B</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-5347</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Geoff B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Mark:
Thank you for your blessing on this, and your benediction at this evening when this occurred.  Your encouragement means a ton to this pastor and our little flock.  Thanks again!
G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Mark:<br />
Thank you for your blessing on this, and your benediction at this evening when this occurred.  Your encouragement means a ton to this pastor and our little flock.  Thanks again!<br />
G</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Traphagen</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-5200</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ken. I think you "got it" :wink:

I listened this weekend to a talk by a certain Reformed writer who has made a lot of noise about my seminary leading the Reformed world into apostasy. It was very revealing. Basically, he believes that there is the possibility of our human systematic propositions having an exact one-to-one correspondence to the truth of God. All this seems to be drawn from the verse that we "have the mind of Christ." From this he concludes that the Westminster Confession of Faith is a perfect statement of the truth contained in the Bible, and thus an exact representation of the mind of God. He rejects any idea of word/deed revelation. I think this kind of thinking undergirds people like our dear Ron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ken. I think you &#8220;got it&#8221; <img src='http://foolishsage.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I listened this weekend to a talk by a certain Reformed writer who has made a lot of noise about my seminary leading the Reformed world into apostasy. It was very revealing. Basically, he believes that there is the possibility of our human systematic propositions having an exact one-to-one correspondence to the truth of God. All this seems to be drawn from the verse that we &#8220;have the mind of Christ.&#8221; From this he concludes that the Westminster Confession of Faith is a perfect statement of the truth contained in the Bible, and thus an exact representation of the mind of God. He rejects any idea of word/deed revelation. I think this kind of thinking undergirds people like our dear Ron.</p>
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		<title>By: ken buck</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-5197</link>
		<dc:creator>ken buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

WOW and Praise God!!!  I have had some similar experiences of observing and even in lesser cases personally experiencing restoration.  It is a mighty victory that the church will struggle to do what is true and that the pastor and his wife would be open to rebuke, challenge and restoration.  I honestly feel that every regenerate being who comes across this post or stories like it should stop and worship God and ask for more testimonies of this nature.  

As a former youth pastor, I was sitting thinking of the amazing tesitimony to the truth and the power of the Gospel on display for the youth in your church.  It is through demonstrations of the working of God in the real and difficult situation of our lives that breathes life into the very propositional nature of truth.  This powerful exaple can be a very solidifying experience for a young person.  Unfortunatly most young people in the church seem to only become aware of our inherent hypocracy and judgement, but not the generation in your church today!!  God is indeed rich in mercy and mighty in action.

I must admit my frustration and lack of charity for Ron, who in my simple judgment, just doesn't get it.  I could not continue to read his comments that were simply a mesns for him to argue and try to use his closed position to make you submit to him rather than truth.  There was no charity in his comments.  This is my frustration with the church that there are individuals who fancy themselves to be mature who could possibly taint the praising of God's redemption and reconciliation with prideful argumentation.

Apparently Ron has forgotten that before any proposition could be, it took a being to act it into existence.  Being come before propositions always, which is why Moses, when asking God's name was given "I AM".  This why redemption in God's economy had to be enacted by the Son becoming flesh and taking the cross.  That is why Jesus IS the Truth.  Truth as we know it in propositional form is a lesser reflection of the being who is in his nature Truth itself.

Again...  thank you for your post.  I am encouraged and I hope to hear of God's continued work in our real, temporal, experience filled lives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>WOW and Praise God!!!  I have had some similar experiences of observing and even in lesser cases personally experiencing restoration.  It is a mighty victory that the church will struggle to do what is true and that the pastor and his wife would be open to rebuke, challenge and restoration.  I honestly feel that every regenerate being who comes across this post or stories like it should stop and worship God and ask for more testimonies of this nature.  </p>
<p>As a former youth pastor, I was sitting thinking of the amazing tesitimony to the truth and the power of the Gospel on display for the youth in your church.  It is through demonstrations of the working of God in the real and difficult situation of our lives that breathes life into the very propositional nature of truth.  This powerful exaple can be a very solidifying experience for a young person.  Unfortunatly most young people in the church seem to only become aware of our inherent hypocracy and judgement, but not the generation in your church today!!  God is indeed rich in mercy and mighty in action.</p>
<p>I must admit my frustration and lack of charity for Ron, who in my simple judgment, just doesn&#8217;t get it.  I could not continue to read his comments that were simply a mesns for him to argue and try to use his closed position to make you submit to him rather than truth.  There was no charity in his comments.  This is my frustration with the church that there are individuals who fancy themselves to be mature who could possibly taint the praising of God&#8217;s redemption and reconciliation with prideful argumentation.</p>
<p>Apparently Ron has forgotten that before any proposition could be, it took a being to act it into existence.  Being come before propositions always, which is why Moses, when asking God&#8217;s name was given &#8220;I AM&#8221;.  This why redemption in God&#8217;s economy had to be enacted by the Son becoming flesh and taking the cross.  That is why Jesus IS the Truth.  Truth as we know it in propositional form is a lesser reflection of the being who is in his nature Truth itself.</p>
<p>Again&#8230;  thank you for your post.  I am encouraged and I hope to hear of God&#8217;s continued work in our real, temporal, experience filled lives!</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-4899</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow i just read all the comments.

sometimes i think reformed people come across like jackasses. I know b/c I am one. (of both)

ron needs to take a deep breath. push your brain aside for 3 sections and examine your heart ron. good Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow i just read all the comments.</p>
<p>sometimes i think reformed people come across like jackasses. I know b/c I am one. (of both)</p>
<p>ron needs to take a deep breath. push your brain aside for 3 sections and examine your heart ron. good Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Traphagen</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-4882</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were &lt;em&gt;really &lt;/em&gt;so smart...your wish list would link to www.wtsbooks.com!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were <em>really </em>so smart&#8230;your wish list would link to <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wtsbooks.com</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: pat k</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; turning 40 on October 2nd, so I don't mind the gray beard so much.  The white hair is a wig, actually, because I'm really starting to lose a lot of hair.

My whole purpose in building up my blog, by the way, is about to unfold before your eyes.  Sometime in the next few days I plan to announce that I'm turning 40 on October 2nd, and then direct people to my amazon.com wish list.  

I guess I'm smarter than I give myself credit for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I <i>am</i> turning 40 on October 2nd, so I don&#8217;t mind the gray beard so much.  The white hair is a wig, actually, because I&#8217;m really starting to lose a lot of hair.</p>
<p>My whole purpose in building up my blog, by the way, is about to unfold before your eyes.  Sometime in the next few days I plan to announce that I&#8217;m turning 40 on October 2nd, and then direct people to my amazon.com wish list.  </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m smarter than I give myself credit for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Traphagen</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-4880</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat:

Haven't you been around Reformed circles long enough to realize that you must be very smart to be truly saved? :lol:

And I'm glad that you finally got a Gravatar. So good to know what you really look like. It's worse than people said, how pastoring ages you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat:</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you been around Reformed circles long enough to realize that you must be very smart to be truly saved? <img src='http://foolishsage.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m glad that you finally got a Gravatar. So good to know what you really look like. It&#8217;s worse than people said, how pastoring ages you.</p>
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		<title>By: pat k</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-4879</link>
		<dc:creator>pat k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story, Mark.  It does me good to hear it.  I'm not smart enough to respond to the rest of the comments, but I wanted you to know I went and got me a killer gravatar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story, Mark.  It does me good to hear it.  I&#8217;m not smart enough to respond to the rest of the comments, but I wanted you to know I went and got me a killer gravatar!</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Mack</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-4876</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to "talk" with you Mark. I know I am terrible about e-mail, but I think and pray for you both often.  Send my love to Karyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to &#8220;talk&#8221; with you Mark. I know I am terrible about e-mail, but I think and pray for you both often.  Send my love to Karyn.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Traphagen</title>
		<link>http://foolishsage.com/2005/08/28/tonight-i-saw-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-4875</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Calvin! What a pietist. Good thing he doesn't have his own blog. He'd have to turn comments off if he did.

Too bad you identified the quote, Jason...it would've been fun to do another edition of my "Who said this?" posts and see who people thought that quote was from. Wesley? Finney? MacLaren?

Or maybe one of those real heretics. You know, Enns and Green? :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Calvin! What a pietist. Good thing he doesn&#8217;t have his own blog. He&#8217;d have to turn comments off if he did.</p>
<p>Too bad you identified the quote, Jason&#8230;it would&#8217;ve been fun to do another edition of my &#8220;Who said this?&#8221; posts and see who people thought that quote was from. Wesley? Finney? MacLaren?</p>
<p>Or maybe one of those real heretics. You know, Enns and Green? <img src='http://foolishsage.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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